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Since my last post I have no further details of HMS Salsette. However, I have now received the service record for George Wild and following Dunkirk he was posted to a number of ships, mainly ferries, that were converted to Landing Ships and each fitted with 8 Landing Craft Assault craft on davits. It is clear he was involved in the transfer of these ships from the shipyard to the Combined Training Centres and possibly the installation and training for the LCA's.

I notice that each LCA had a crew of 4 to 7 men, so I am guessing ABS Terence Gormley was one of those and Commando records may reveal further details of a raid in Burma in April 1943.

Hi Nick

Agree with you about RN renaming ships and bases, I haven't found Salsette on any list of RN overseas bases.

I think I have all the edge pieces of the "jigsaw", just need someone to come forward to help with the rest. :)

Regards, Dave

Thanks Nick, that has given me more to think about!

HMS Salsette seems to specialise in landing craft training. I started with this extract from the book "The Royal Indian Navy, 1939-1945", Chapter XI:

"Landing Craft Training Organisation

During the war, the Royal Indian Navy began training landing craft crews. In time, the landing craft wing developed into an organisation of considerable size, its training centre being then the largest naval establishment in India. It was called H.M.I..S Hamla, located at Mandapam on the extreme southern promontory of India. In June 1943, the first batches of trainees (the Hamla product) formed into flotillas and moved to Bombay for their advanced training in the Royal Navy establishment H.M.S. Salsette. At the end of 1943, the flotillas in Salsette (a group from land wing) were joined by their maintenance parties, trained in the landing craft base at Sassoon Dock, Bombay. This base was entirely manned and run by the Royal Indian Navy. In 1944 it was extended and improved. It was later taken over by the Royal Navy.

Early in 1944, the Royal Indian Navy Flotillas commenced combined training with the Army at the two combined training centres at Madh (Maud) and Cocanada. At this time the Headquarter Establishment and Depot H.M.I.S. Hamla moved to the Bombay area. On the move to Bombay in the spring of 1944, H.M.I.S. Hamla, the parent establishment, was located in buildings vacated by H.M.I.S. Khanjar, the old new-entry training establishment. These buildings, mainly old commandeered sanatoria, did not prove satisfactory. H.M.I.S. Hamla was then moved to new quarters in Wavell Lines, Malir Gamp, near Karachi.

A point to note is that the training of the Landing Craft and the Combined Operations during the war period, was more or less the same. No. 1 Combined Training Centre was situated on Madh Island, some 3 miles south of Marve. The naval camp to accommodate the crews of the Landing Craft engaged in naval training was established at Marve. This establishment, later commissioned as H.M.I.S. Hamlawar, originally consisted of three landing craft flotillas housed in tents and old huts, relics of the days when Marve was a sea-side resort. Hamlawar was eventually built up to an establishment of 120 officers and 1,200 men, housed in good buildings on a fine site. The camp was handed over to the Royal Marines in November 1944 when the Royal Indian Navy flotillas operating there were required for operations in the Arakan. It was decided that the R.I.N. would provide crews for training to the No. 2 Combined Training Centre in so far as future operational requirements were concerned."

I have another note with similar info:

"The Royal Indian Navy Landing Craft training began in November 1942, H.M.I.S. Hamla being commissioned at Mandapam (on the extreme southern promontory of India), on 1 January 1943. The Landing Craft wing was formed largely by officers and men transferred from the army. The camp had accommodation for 298 officers, 3,846 men and with additional tented accommodation for another 800 men. In April 1943 the first classes of trainees were half way through their four to five month preliminary training in H.M.I.S. Hamla. In June 1943, the first batches of the Hamla product, formed into flotillas, moved to Bombay for their advanced training in the Royal Navy Establishment, H.M.S. Salsette. On completion of those courses men were transferred to Landing Ship Infantry El. Hind, Barpeta and Llanstephen Castle for flotilla training from ships and additional night landing. At the end of 1943, the flotillas in Salsette were attached to Force "G" and were joined by their maintenance parties, trained in the Landing Craft Base at Sassoon Dock, Bombay. That base was entirely manned and run by the Royal Indian Navy then. It was extended and improved. It was later taken over by the Royal Navy. Early in 1944, Force "G" left India leaving the Royal Indian Navy flotillas and units in India to carry out combined training with the army at the two Combined Training Centres at Madh (Maud) and Coconada. At that time the Headquarters Establishment and Depot, H.M.I.S. Hamla, moved to Bombay area."

I notice your extract from "The 2nd Battalion in India and Burma" says:

"The Battalion found itself moved from Ahmednagar to an area north of Bombay where further work in boats could be combined with training in proper jungle more resembling that which would be met in a country such as Burma." Could that be Salsette, or Madh Island mentioned above?

I also note that the extract from "History of Special Ops Forces in Malaysia" lists what the course covered but there is no mention of landing craft. Also the photos from the Manchester Regiment do not show what I imagine as the type of landing craft used from ship to shore.

I am inclined to think there were 2 (or more) training bases, Kharakvasla Camp the centre for Combined Ops training and HMS Salsette the RN base for landing craft training. The bit I find confusing is the quote from No 5 Cdo's link to Kharakvasla Camp:

"3 July 1942. Kharakvasla Camp. Arrived here, HMS Salsette, (the Royal Navy Combined Operations base), two days ago after hectic drive in army trucks." Was Leading Telegraphist Bowman based at Khadakwasla Camp and referring to a trip to Salsette? And he refers to RN and Combined Ops base.

When I get to the bottom of this I will let you know!

Regards, Dave

Thanks Nick

I think that confirms that HMS Salsette was used for advanced training prior to deployment in the Far East. I also suspect that Salsette was abandoned at the earliest opportunity because of it's history of flooding and disease, and why there are few records available.

From what you have sent me I think I have a good picture of what was happening at HMS Salsette after George Wild died, perhaps someone locally will come forward with details of George's life between being listed on the 1939 Register as a stable lad in Wiltshire to his death in 1943 at Bombay.

Regards, Dave

Thanks again Nick.

Just one more question, from your records do you know where "H" Cdo went after Salsette? I am wondering if after basic landing craft training in Scotland the Commandos went to India for advanced training, in tropical conditions, before deployment in the Middle or Far East.

PS The "jigsaws" for the WW1 men on our memorial were easier in some ways because of the 100 years rule on release of records. If we manage to contact a descendant of George perhaps we can ask them to apply for the service records which may provide a few more pieces for the jigsaw.

Regards, Dave

Many thanks for the info Nick.

It seems HMS Salsette changed hands several times, from Royal Indian Navy to Army and then Royal Navy, and fulfilled various roles for short periods. I can also see now that Salsette Island was one of a group of islands that were at various times linked to Bombay by causeways and presumably now form part of what is now Mumbai.

Perhaps George Wild transferred to RN when the Army abandoned the base or was sent there, (like GHK Bowman who I note "For nearly a year, I trained with army and air force contingents in landing craft operations on Loch Fyne.") to prepare what was to become HMS Salsette ready for the advanced landing craft training when "H" Cdo were posted there in July 1943. The conditions also give an indication of why George became a victim of smallpox.

Our intention is to produce something with the background of the 5 men on the church memorial listed under WW2 to coincide with VE Day 75 celebrations in May. It would be good if this leads to a descendant coming forward with more details of George's time in India.

Regards, Dave

I am researching the men remembered on a memorial in our village church. One of the men listed is A/S George Wild who died of smallpox on 13th March 1943 at HMS Salsette near Bombay, India.

Very little has been written HMS Salsette except I have found it was a former RIN base that was taken over by RN to train commandos using landing craft, and it seems the first batches of trainees moved to Bombay for advanced training in June 1943, three months after George Wild died.

Does anyone know the background and history of HMS Salsette or point me in the direction of further info.

Many thanks, Dave Hayward