Green Beret 1940 Picture

Ok folks I hope this works .........a picture of the rogue beret

John,
Your picture clearly shows the War Office sign - the Barbed Arrow or Crow's Foot - so I seriously doubt that it is a Scouting Beret ( and I don't think the beret was introduced into the Boy Scouting Movement until much later anyway).

The only suggestion I can offer is the The War Office gave the contract for the manufacture of British Army Berets to that particular maker in 1940?

With interest,
Nick

Yes Nic I agree

But I always understood that the Green Colour was not in service untill the Commandos took it in 1942.

Apparantly it was the green from the Salamander from the No1 Cdo Salamander patch.

I suppose the Beret could just have been incorrectly stamped.

I don't think we''ll ever know

Regards
johnM

John,
I call only suggest that the factory that made berets would have mass produced the 'inner' and these would then have been attached to the 'outer'. So when The Green Beret was introduced they just took some off the shelf and sewed them in - one brand new Green Beret marked 1940!
As you say, we'll never know for certain.
Regards,
Nick

Hi Nic

No we'll never know ...........but your's is as a feasable explanation that I've come across.

Thanks for your thoughts on this.

Best regards
John M

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I don't know if this is of any help or only adds to the confusion but here is a picture taken on the common at Ayr. I have no idea who any of these people are but you can see they are all wearing Tams

ie: pre beret
this is actually a post card and on the back it says Ayr 1941

Regards,

Lindsay

Hi again Lindsay

Another fabulous photo.

I think this is a troop from No 2 Commando who wore the Tams for all ranks.
I know Bob will correct if I am wrong :)

Regards
John M

The number is part of the stock number.

Berets where not introduced in the RN properly until 1976 and they had the same number

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This there a stitched leather black rectangle in the inside liner where the badge is pushed through?

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Hello :D

Regarding the Tams, 6 Commando wore them as well.

Colin

Commandos often wore just the regular forage cap/side hat for walking out.

See the photo of CGM, MM Allender 6 Commando in 1942.

Hello

UnknownCommandos

No there is no leather triangle present.

Regards
John M

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Rectangle...not a triangle. Hand stiched to liner.

I`m sorry to say i dont think your beret is circa WW2. The ties also look to be made from a modern synthetic material.

Have followed a previous link to this discussion about Tams/Berets after posting an old photo of my late father aboard a troop ship where all the Commandos on board are wearing Tams, which as you say was routine issue. Just to add to the discussion we also had a Glengarry which my Dad was issued with as part of his uniform, which I can remembr seeing when I was younger but appears to have been sadly lost during several house moves my parents made. From the photo taken in Ayr in 1941 I think my Dad may have been at the front on the left. He was stationed in Ayr in 1941 billeted with a Mr. & Mrs. Patterson at 2 Bellevale Quadrant in Ayr. He was also billeted at 38 Well Street in Moffat. I went with him to both these places in 1954 and also went to Achnacarry and Ben Nevis. I was told that the Commandos practised canoe handling and raiding the small island in the midland of the boating lake in Moffat park and had to get all the canoes moored on the bank over to the island at night without the council man posted to guard them knowing what had happened. It appears that on quite a few nights the council man as well was taken over to the island and left there....

re the 1940 Green Beret.

The one issued to me at Achnacarry is similar in all respects except the date.

It has the same markings i.e dotted square with the War Office Symbol and the date of issue.