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Hi Everyone
9 Commando ROH now on site
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John M
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Hello jcb
The phrase has been attributed to Matthew Walker, both directly in his fable The Four Oxen and the Lion[1] and indirectly from The Bundle of Sticks[2].
The first attributed use in modern times is to John Dickinson in his revolutionary war song The Liberty Song. In the song, first published in the Boston Gazette in July 1768, he wrote: ?Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all! By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall!?
Patrick Henry used the phrase in his last public speech, given in March 1799, in which he denounced The Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions. Clasping his hands and waving his body back and forth, Henry declaimed, ?Let us trust God, and our better judgment to set us right hereafter. United we stand, divided we fall. Let us not split into factions which must destroy that union upon which our existence hangs.? At the end of his oration, Henry fell into the arms of bystanders and was carried almost lifeless into a nearby tavern. Two months afterward he was dead.
The motto is a repost to the phrase 'Divide and Conquer' which, as a military tactic ,can be traced back to the Roman armies.
Hope that is useful
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John M
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Hello Kieth
Have you tried the following link
http://www.6commando.com/index.html
They have a J Hurst listed in other ranks.
Why not email them and seek more info on their listing?
Hope this is of some use.
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John M
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Hello Harry
Photos are up now.
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John M
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Hello Harry
Yes no problem...........I will list it for addition ....95 Cdo RA.
With pleasure
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John M
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Hello Harry
If you could scan the images and then send by email to the 'Greenlid' email address on the contact us page I will do my best to upload them for you.
Alternatively you may be able to copy them with a digital camera and then load up.
It would be great to have them on site.
With best regards
John M
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Aye
John M
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Hello Nic and Mac
Re the photo of Frank Johnson.
Frank is a Lincoln CVA member and a Co founding member of the CVA.
His parent Regiment was The Black Watch.
Hope this helps.
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John M
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Thanks Ron..............yep I (we) still miss Vic.
This photo is also interesting because of the presence of a young Vic Ralph bottom left..........and of course my dad back right.
They had been having a tea break :D another common tactic apparently.
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John M
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Hi Everyone
Very interesting...............all of this.
By the way I have posted a photo of some of No 1 Cdo in slouch hats on that topics page.
Just to add more confusion over there :D
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John M
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More Photos from Dougie
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The Photos from Dougie
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Hi
Here is the photo of slouch hats from previous post.
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John M
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Hi All
I don't know if this helps but here is a picture of some men of 4 Troop No 1 Commando jungle training in Coconada India August 44 prior to Hill 170 action.
Several have the aforementioned head gear.
The Men are:
Back L-R V.Simmonds J.Kelly W.King R Stevens W Billham R Mewett (Dad)
Front L-R Vic Ralph A Pawson L McNelly Chah Wallah N Piglot
Quite a bunch and mixed headgear.
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John M
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Hello UKC Nic and all
Regarding the credibility of information. I have found during the course of what I regard as my own thorough research into the Commandos that many facts can be contradicted in print depending from where the author has taken their source.
I have spoken to many Veterans of the same action and received as many differing accounts of it. A nucleus of truth but distorted by the individuals perception of it.
The Commandos by their nature were covert and and the written record I find reflects this.
So research in my case is always driven by caution and an open mind.
Sharing of information is most important and is a main reason for this forums existence.
It is difficult to regard anybody as a true expert on any or all aspects of the Commandos.
Some individuals can have more knowledge, which stems from their position within the organization, but even then they can only call on their personnel experience and not on things as a whole.
I think Brigadier Ken Trevor sums up nicely the point I am trying to make in his foreword to the book by Tag Barnes MM 'Commando Diary'
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The lack of information on the 'reason why' for changes in plans,orders and times , shows the frustration suffered by a junior rank in particular.
Every effort should be made to keep things running smoothly,but in war,as indeed also in peacetime,things do go wrong. In wartime it can be partly blamed on the need for security. It is easier for the more senior ranks as they have more chance of being in the know.
So all information can only be posted in 'good faith' and must be accepted as such by all who read and heed it.
But that for me is the interesting bit of all of this . The uncovering of that little nugget that makes it all fit together.
So all info is welcome and a correction or query should not be taken as a criticism just someone trying to hone that fine elusive point of the truth.
Best regards and happy hunting
John M
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