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Well done Julie. And thanks for reminding me of Julie's book.

Here is a link to the Guardian Article
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/nov/25/family-life-my-talented-cousin-who-wrote-for-tv-dublin-blues-by-guy-clark-mums-fudge
nocsgirl do you have any further information on this photo or others ? Writing on the back perhaps, or some notes ?
They could provide clues.
Hi, The ship in the photo has the number 25 and crosses, and from photo looks similar to HM Hospital Ship No.25 HMHS Somersetshire

What do people think ?


Completed in June 1921 as motor merchant Somersetshire for Bibby Brothers & Co, Liverpool. 1927 converted to a troopship with accommodation for 1300 troops. In October 1927 the ship sailed to China and from January to May 1928 she transported troops to Karachi and was laid up in Dartmouth thereafter. During another voyage to China in 1931, influenza broke out which affected 300 person but fortunately there were no deaths. In September 1939, the Somersetshire was requisitioned and converted into HM Hospital Ship No.25 with 507 beds, 118 medical staff and 171 crew members.

http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/1509.html

And here a whole series of photos of the crew, ship and some of its travels.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/crabchick/2667104045

Thanks for sharing nocsgirl1943

A piece of Australia's military history is facing a watery demise at the bottom of Darwin Harbour after it sank last week.

The HDML 1321 was a boat used by Australia's elite Z Special Unit[1] during World War II.



The Z Special Unit was an elite commando force established by the Australian Army during World War Two and is seen as the foundation of the modern SAS.

Soldiers relied on specially designed vessels like the HDML 1321 to allow them to undertake covert operations in the Pacific.

In 1945, eight commandos used the vessel to go behind enemy lines in Papua New Guinea as part of Operation Copper [2] [3].


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-23/elite-world-war-two-boat-sinks-off-darwin/7958216

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_Special_Unit
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Copper
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Copper#/media/File:AWM_P03953_004.jpg


PS Sorry, accidentally posted in wrong forum, and I don't see how to move it. Its naval related at least...

SuzeV123, regarding your photos, are there any stamps, or writing on the back of them, that might give further clues ?
Have you asked other family members if they have any family stories about the photos ?

Do you have any more WW2 era photos you can share with us ?

Thanks very much for sharing with everybody.

Nice work Nick.

Based on Nick's work, I contacted Graham Lloyd of Wrexham History www.wrexham-history.co.uk, asking if the photo was in the location Nick thought.

He speedily replied with

I love a challenge, but this was a little easy. You are spot on with your location [Nicks location ! -markh]. The buildings have infact been demolished.
To the left of the picture once stood a temperance hotel called Trevors Hotel which was demolished in the early 1960s. The following picture shows the same door decoration.


See photo of Trevors Hotel here - it will be added to the Wrexham History site.

https://www.facebook.com/WrexhamHistory/photos/a.529431130436512.1073741828.529425687103723/914707898575498/?type=3&theater

[Update 2]
Link to Photo now on Wrexham History website http://www.wrexham-history.com/?attachment_id=642


So from streetview, the 1960s style building is on the site of the Trevors Hotel, with the building in the background looking like the one in the picture from SuzeV123, with

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.0480503,-2.999418,3a,75y,77.53h,84.71t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sRNiRPEuZ74nSPPGqm6zmJQ!2e0!5s20090301T000000!7i13312!8i6656


[Update]
It just occurred to me, if you orient streetview to be in the direction of the marchers, as below, then if you can ignore the modern cars, street signs etc. you can see some of the period buildings and imagine you are on that march in 1944..
It would appear to be spring/Summer from the tree foliage. If you keep moving forward you end up at the railway station.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.0474773,-2.9980732,3a,75y,297.85h,87.09t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sppWL0yHDnPuWhAYsyHaMVA!2e0!5s20090301T000000!7i13312!8i6656


PS Wrexham History is going to add something on the HOC at Wrexham to their site.



Interesting work Nick and all.

I always like to have a look on Streetview or equivalent, to get perhaps the slightest of feel for what the place might have looked like. Makes it more real for me personally.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.1707507,-4.9018709,3a,75y,219.96h,85.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_WChZZPfb1RZxwRLAOhgxw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I've typed up my reading of the text on the service record.


21/5/1940 Posted to 20 Bn Queen?s Royal Rgt, Aldershot
Posted to Special training centre Lochailort
???? 8/6/1940

8/4/1940 Appointed acting (unpaid) lance corporal ????? 8/4/1940

8/4/1940 Having completed 21 days is granted pay of the appointment acting (paid) Lance corporal ??? 8/4//1940

Forfeits 1 days pay for absence with out leave from 12:00 hours 93/2/1941) to 21:30 3/2/1941 (9 hours 30 mins)

26/5/1941 Relinquished appointment of paid acting Lance corporal ?? to fill a vacancy ???
26/5/1941

8/7/1941 Posted to reinforcements ?? ITE The Buffs ??? 8/7/1941

18/7/1941 Posted 5th Buffs




Some information on Royal East Kent Regiment "The Buffs", with pictures of badges.
http://militarybadgecollection.com/2015/01/21/414-the-buffs-east-kent-west-kent-regiment.htm


As an aside, my grandad George Barnes, according to his service record, transferred from the Royal Marines to the Army and a period in the 9th Buffs on 7th August 1944
His service records also have several fines, and being absent without leave.



New roll of honour uncovers stories of lost SAS heroes of the Second World War


"A 13-year project to document and commemorate every member of the SAS killed in the Second World War has for the first time confirmed identities of 13 lost members of the secretive, elite unit.

The 800-page roll of honour for the SAS and its forerunner, the Long Range Desert Group (LRDG), contains the stories of 374 men who died during the conflict, some of whose stories were on the verge of being lost.

The three-volume memorial published for this month?s 75th anniversary of the SAS's founding has been complied from an exhaustive trawl of service records, operational reports, medal citations, diaries and letters from next of kin."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/22/new-sas-roll-of-honour-finds-stories-of-lost-ww2-heroes/

Hi Adam,

a warm welcome to the forums, and the more questions the better Adam.

You can apply for your relative's Royal Marine service records from the Navy. As you are not the next of kin, I'm not sure exactly what records they will provide you with.
Somebody more knowledgable than I will surely reply to your query.

http://forum.commandoveterans.org/cdoForum/posts/list/179.page


For the record, I found on the CWGC website the grave of Lieutenant YEOMANS, GEOFFREY RICHARD, and noted that sadly

His brother Bernard George, also died on service.


http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2191352/YEOMANS,%20GEOFFREY%20RICHARD


Geoffrey is buried at

Khadki Martyr Cemetery
Elphinston Rd
Khadki
Pune, Maharashtra 411003
India

Have a look at the "earth view"
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Khadki+Martyr+Cemetery,+Elphinston+Rd,+Khadki,+Pune,+Maharashtra+411003,+India/@18.5519499,73.8546145,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x3bc2c09633a87d21:0x2d140660611a3f49!8m2!3d18.5519916!4d73.8567924

His Brother BERNARD GEORGE YEOMANS is buried in Tunis, at the MASSICAULT WAR CEMETERY

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2197301/YEOMANS,%20BERNARD%20GEORGE

RIP Geoffrey and Bernard.
93-year-old WWII veteran completes epic US coast-to-coast run

While most people in their 90s are slowing down, Ernie Andrus embarked on a journey that most people wouldn?t contemplate undertaking even in the prime of their life. Andrus ran over 4,000km from the US Pacific coast to the Atlantic Ocean.


Andrus was a medic on a similar ship during the war in Normandy, France, and he saw with his own eyes how vital the LST 325 [1] was during war time.

His plan is now to help to restore a World War II ship in Indiana[The LST 325] and return it to Normandy for the 75th anniversary of the D-Day landings, in 2019.


https://www.rt.com/usa/356638-veteran-completes-epic-run/

An incredible feat for his age. And it would be great to see the LST 325 in Normandy.

Of personal interest, my late granddad, George Barnes was in between being in the Royal Marines and Army, according to his RM record[2] and stories he used to tell, spent 2 months on The Royal Navy's LST 320 during Normandy Landings, as the invasion was short of men[5]. If you follow link [3] you see lots of nice photos of LST 320 during Normandy invasions and of LST 325 here [4]

So I for one hope the LST 325 can cross the Atlantic once again, to Normandy. Its currently in river sailing order at Indiana, USA.


[1] LST325 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_LST-325
[2] George norton barnes RM service record, http://forum.commandoveterans.org/cdoForum/posts/list/3577.page
[3] Photos of LST 320, http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/16/160320.htm
[4] Photos of LST 325, http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/16/160325.htm
[5] National archives on using RM as landing craft crew. http://forum.commandoveterans.org/cdoForum/posts/list/4289.page
Here is the company, in Melbourne as you wrote.


Commando Printing Services Proprietary Limited was incorporated on 29 August 1972 (Tuesday)and as of 12 July 2016 (Tuesday) is a Registered Australian Private Company.
This Australian Private Company have been operating for 16039 days.


https://www.aus61business.com/company/Commando-Printing-Services-Proprietary-Limited

And here
http://www.startlocal.com.au/business/printing/vic_melbourne/Commando_Printing_Services_Pty_Ltd_2777771.html

An unintentional advert for them, but perhaps in context you can let me off !


Seventy-one years after the end of World War 2, members of Z Special Unit will be remembered with the dedication of a commemorative plaque at the Australian War Memorial.
Twenty-three ZSU veterans will be in Canberra on Monday for this event, along with 20 widows and a large number of family members.



http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/z-special-commandos-recognised-at-last/news-story/ec224aa75aac83c343699d5da4d50605


The commemorative plaque is the idea of Australian National University anthropologist Christine Helliwell who has conducted extensive field work in Borneo.


https://researchers.anu.edu.au/researchers/helliwell-cj
Hi Simon,

I'd certainly buy a copy of your book.

Woodbury common is a lovely place to walk, made more interesting for me due to its historical and family connections. I visited again this year, explored both ends of the firing range. The "hot" side ie target end still has a long mostly brick, but concrete roof shelter, for the soldiers manning the targets. The firing side has numerous trenches, remains of brick steps etc.


In East Budleigh Church yard there are a number of WW1 and WW2 military graves, one that caught my eye is of a poor 18 year old

GRIFFITHS, RICHARD MICHAEL [1]


Who was killed at the camp on 26/05/1942 . He was part of 8th Battalion RM. There is no mention of this death in the war diary (I have a copy Simon if you don't)

So the camp and surrounding area was a very serious place.

My granddad was part of 8th Battalion RM at this time according to his service record, and one old picture we have of him has VIII on his battledress sleeve.
Some members of 8th Battalion [4] went onto to form 41 Commando, although from my granddads service record he went to 40 Commando for a period.


A picture of his grave is here [2]

He attended Dulwich College, there are some more details here [3]



[1] http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2441458/GRIFFITHS,%20RICHARD%20MICHAE

[2] http://www.rm-badges.com/DAPShowGraveFile.php?id=132001770&location=images_graves

[3] http://lib.militaryarchive.co.uk/library/WWII/library/Dulwich-College-War-Record-1939-1945/files/assets/basic-html/page84.html

[4] http://www.w.royalmarinesmuseum.co.uk/item/researching-family-and-royal-marine-history/unit-history-summaries


PS from rereading [3] I just noticed that Michael was just a few weeks older than my granddad who lived to almost 90, yet poor Michael was snuffed out in an accident having really only just left school.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-36520533

The inaugural Commando Games are to be held later this year near Spean Bridge and Achnacarry, where commandos were trained during World War Two.

Veterans' charity Commando Spirit said the event would be based on challenges set for Royal Marines, but would be family friendly.

It described the games' setting in Lochaber as "Commando country".

The challenges will include an endurance course, featuring mud runs, tunnels and crawls.

The course will be built to the design of an original commando endurance course used for training Allied troops and resistance fighters during WW2.

 
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