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Bill Harvey
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The following came from Spean Bridge Hotel.

Hello I was wondering if someone could help me? I am trying to gather as much information as possible about Harold Barton in WW2, a family member has given me the HQ address and this email.

Harold Barton was a Sergeant (3533801) in No. 9 Commandos . He had initially joined the Manchester Regiment and won a Military Medal. Any and as much information you could provide me would be greatly appreciated or if you could at least point me in the right direction.

I hope to hear from you soon



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Gareth Barton

Will get back to him.

Bill

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Hi Bill

It might be an idea for Gareth to register on our forum and join this conversation direct. Then we can find out exactly what he has so far in respect of service record etc., and whether he would like to share any photos with us so we can add them to our gallery. We already have Sgt. Barton MM listed on the No 9 Commando nominal roll with the details given.

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I have documentation that shows that Sgt Harold Barton, MM served in 6 Troop, No.9 Cdo.

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Thanks Nick and Pete have passed it on.

Bill

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Hello and thanks for taking an interest, Harold Barton was my grandads brother (Stanley Barton Royal Artillery) who also served in WW2. It took both of them a long time to talk about what happend in the war so I don't know a great deal, they both suffered nightmares for years. Harold mentioned about a mission where they had to attack a hill with just knives and I hear one of the men involved wrote a book about it? He also told peIt's ople that the men that didn't sign up got torpedoed in the boat that was taking them back to base and none survived.

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He also had a panzer tank officers knife I'm not sure if there could be a story documented behind this?
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HI Gareth

Has any member of the family ever applied for a copy of his Army Service Record? This should give a good amount of information on his postings, awards, injuries, etc. IF the nearest next of kin applies a full copy will be provided, otherwise a transcript with limited detail only will be provided. The only place to access this service is via the Ministry of Defence so don't get taken in by other websites offering services. There is a fee of £30 that the MOD charge. Have a read of their website which explains everything: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/request-records-of-deceased-service-personnel

As he was in No 9 Commando you should follow the guidelines on the link above for Army Commandos.

In the meantime, should you wish to do so, a scan of the original recommendation for his award of the Military Medal can be downloaded from the National Archives for £3-50 fee here:

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7350561

The citation is transcribed. in the book Commando Gallantry Awards of WW2. His gallantry on the 19th March 1944 with No 9 Commando was outstanding. The action on that day resulted in quite a lot of casualties for his Commando which can be viewed here if you scroll down the page covering that date on our WW2 Commando Roll of Honour

if you have a photo of your Grandad's brother please post it on this forum thread and I will include it in our gallery.




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Pete Rogers, son of LSgt Joe Rogers MM & nephew of TSM Ken McAllister. Both No2 Commando.
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When the danger is passed and all things righted, God is forgotten, and the Soldier slighted.


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You may also wish to read a history of 9 Commando overseas on our site here http://www.commandoveterans.org/9_Commando_overseas

I wonder if the incident with knives that he talked of was in fact a famous bayonet charge that took place on the 3rd March 1944 at Anzio. Or it could have been before at Mt. Ornito/Faito. The 3rd March operation can best be described in this account by Major Les Callf MC and bar who was at the time Captain commanding 5 Troop, No.9 Commando:

"My most thrilling and proudest moment of the war was in leading my troop in an attack against a superior force of paratroopers at Anzio. We had hardly recovered from our attack on Mt Ornito/Faito, suffering about fifty per cent casualties, when we were called back to Anzio as the situation there was critical. We landed on 3 March and 5 Troop was ordered straight into the front line sector held by the 9 Royal Fusiliers with orders to deal with a troop of German paratroopers who had infiltrated and taken over part of our lines.

5 Troop was about half strength, mustering one officer and twenty-eight ORs. We arrived at first light (05.45 hrs) and contacted the officer-in-charge for information as to the enemy's whereabouts. The only information was a vague wave of his hand down the wadi with the words, "There . . . somewhere down there . . . I've just been promoted Major!" With these words the officer disappeared down his dugout and left us to it.

The wadi was a deep ravine with stunted trees and foliage, about thirty feet down to mud and water, but it was the only cover available, so we had to use it. The assault team under Corporal Bostock pushed ahead with covering from the Bren-gun team on the highest part of the wadi. We usually did our raiding and fighting patrols in the darkness but this was special and urgent and we had to find them quickly, which we did, rather too quickly, in broad daylight. The enemy were well dug in on high ground overlooking the wadi and they opened fire with automatic weapons, slicing Corporal Bostock's trigger finger off as he returned fire. Casualties occurred through the troop. Corporal Searle quickly replied with mortar smoke as we regrouped. Corporal Bostock, assisted and covered by Hopkins and Belasco, reported back to me, and standing rigidly to attention, asked permission to fall out as he'd lost a finger - all this during enemy machine-gun fire!

The only way was a good old-fashioned bayonet charge.

We left the wadi and spread out in the dead ground below the enemy positions, with Brens on the flanks giving covering fire. Fusilier Storey, who was lying just behind me, was killed instantly as we were getting into position.

Every man always carried two No. 77 smoke grenades so that a smoke screen could be created for about two throws of about forty yards. They knew the drill; throw and run through the smoke. This was the moment, and one I shall never forget. In broad daylight we had to cover about sixty yards of open ground against German paratroopers, well dug in. I looked to the right of me and the left and to CSM Walsh next to me, and gave the order, "Throw!" and as the smoke formed, "Charge!" and in we went, hard. I think we must have looked a fearsome body as we came through the smoke onto them. Many of them were killed and others put their hands up.

We suffered three killed and nine injured. I'm not sure of the German casualties, but the official report gave twenty-five killed and twenty-three POWs, which was approximately twice the strength of No. 5 Troop on that day."





Pete Rogers, son of LSgt Joe Rogers MM & nephew of TSM Ken McAllister. Both No2 Commando.
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When the danger is passed and all things righted, God is forgotten, and the Soldier slighted.


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A big thanks Pete, I really appreciate the time and effort you have given into providing this information to me. It's been a big help and I have already found useful information as a result and more is to come. I have also been in contact with family members that have pictures of Harold, so I should be able to send you copies soon.
Thanks again
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An extract from No.9 Cdo War Diaries Apr '44

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Proud son of Cpl Mick Collins, 5 Troop, No5 Cdo

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Cheers Nick thanks for this, greatly appreciated.
 
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