Commando Roll of Honour

Hello,

While looking at the Roll of Honours, I have noticed that there is a group of commandos missing.

The Allies who joined the commandos.

In the main 10 IA Commando was the source of Allied Commandos,I believe most trained at Achnacarry and earned their Green Beret as all did.

The French supplied 2 troops for 4 Cdo,Americans were attached to both 3 and 6 Cdo

10 IA Cdo had troops from France ,the AXIS countries,as well as Belgium,Holland and Poland and others,and most countries lost men.

Can these, with vetting be added to the Roll of Honour,either named with the commando unit they were with at the time of death, or as 10 IA Commando as appropriate.

Graham

Hi Graham,

I absolutely agree that these men, who trained & fought alongside our fathers and fell wearing the green beret, should be remembered.
Their names do not appear in the CWGC so where better to remember them than in the Commando Roll of Honour.

We Will Remember Them.

Hello Graham

I think the most important criteria for these men to be added to our roll is that they were all commando trained and earned the Green Beret.

They of course would have then earned the right to be included and the integrity of the ROH would be secure.

Will it be difficult to prove 'Commando training' for these individuals?

Regards

John M

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As far as 10 Inter Allied Commando is concerned we have the beginnings of one already with 3 troop. The others would, and should, be be listed. It would be good to list them in their troops as with 3. As long as it can be established through official documents such as information we already have, war diaries, etc., that they served in 10 Inter Allied Commando, then they can be on our Roll of Honour.

As far as the Americans were concerned most were from the 34th Inf Divn., 168th Regt., and United States Rangers. Many indeed were Commando trained but they remained United States Rangers, not Commandos, and those who fell are remembered on the Rolls of Honour for their units in the United States of America.

Whilst all may not be eligible for whatever reason to be included on our ROH, that does not preclude us from honouring their memory by creating an entry on our site remembering them. An example of that would be for Lt Loustalot, click on his name, and the U.S. Rangers in general in their album HERE

The reality is that we have to draw the line somewhere as so many others could be classed as having an association with the Commandos when they were killed, not least to say members of the Royal Navy, or Royal Air Force, who were part of Combined Operations raids that Commandos took part in. Landing craft crews, SOE operatives, etc.

Hello All,

I felt that my observations were met with a degree of anxiety,so to get the ball rolling I wish the following to be considered to be added to either 4 Commando or 10 IA Commando Roll of Honour.

These names are from 1 and 8 troop (French) 10 IA Cdo.

All the men listed below have their names on 4 Commando Roll of Honour banner(picture gallery 4 commando ,No 4 Cdo-
in Remembrance ) :

514FN43 LCPL. Camille ALLARD died 9-5-45.
390FN43 LSGT. Robert.R CROIZER,died 10-6-44.
736FN40 SGT. Raymond E.E. DUMENOIR. died 6-6-44
66FN43.LCPL.Raymond .W. FLESCH. died 6-6-44
10407FN42.CPL.Lucien.J.FOURER. died 10-6-44
900FN43.PTE Rene.A.F.GERSEL. died 10-6-44
9159FN43. LCPL.Maurice.J.L.GOURONG died 2-11-44
56123.LT. Louis J.M.A. HUBERT.died 6-6-44
55533. CAPT. Robert.A.V.LION.died 6-6-44
470FN42.CPL.Jean.L LEMOIGNE,died 6-6-44
458FN43.LCPL Pierre .M.LABAS/LEBAS. died 6-6-44 Spelling shown both ways,not sure which is correct
10870FN40.CPL.Jean.C.LETANG died 6-6-44
10899FN40.LCPL.Guy.J.A. LAOT.died 26-6-44
168R39. LCPL.Jean.MONCEAUX.died 2-11-44
657FN43.CPL. Jean.R.MONTEAN.died 1-11-44
10023FN43.PTE.Jean.E.NEVAN.died 1-11-44
10022FN43.PTE.Felix.F PETERS.died 17-6-44
203FN43.LCPL.Emile.L.M.RENAULT.died 6-6-44
5857FN41.PTE.Jean.P.E.I ROSSEAU.died 6-6-44
1129FN43.CPL.Yvan.R.RUPPE.died 2-11-44
492FN43.LCPL.Jean.P.G.ROLLIN,died 6-6-44
94FN42.CPL.Pierre.A.G.VINAT,died 11-6-44

Trust this meets with your approval.

Regards

Graham

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Hi Graham

Thanks for this. You have some spelling differences, rank differences, and additional information such as service numbers on your list, to those shown on the No 4 Commando ROH image in the gallery. Can you tell me the source of the information that you used so as I can credit them.

http://www.commandoveterans.org/FrenchTpROH

Regards

Pete

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Additional names added from our gallery:

Captain Charles Trepel http://gallery.commandoveterans.org/cdoGallery/v/units/10IA/French/Capitaine+Charles+Tr__pel.jpg.html
Cpl Robert Bellamy http://gallery.commandoveterans.org/cdoGallery/v/units/10IA/French/Robert+Bellamy.jpg.html
Pte Andre Dignac http://gallery.commandoveterans.org/cdoGallery/v/units/10IA/French/Andre+Dignac+_.jpg.html

Is the spelling of Rosseau correct ? He is shown as Rousseau on the Special Forces ROH website:
http://www.specialforcesroh.com/showthread.php?1264-Rousseau-Jean&highlight=rousseau

Similarily with Monceaux ? Shown as Monceau
http://www.specialforcesroh.com/showthread.php?16329-Monceau-Jean&highlight=monceau

Pete,

Most of the information has been collected over a period of time and from various sources,but most of the info can be confirmed at www.commandokieffer.canalblog.com.

Graham

Pete,
From another source ROUSSEAU is correct,well spotted.,but believe MONCEAUX is correct.
www.6juin1944.com/assaut/sword/en/bfmc refs.

Thanks for including them,there's only a few more:

You have already mentioned Capt.Charles Trepel,he was killed on Operation Premium,as was the rest of the group
428 FN 42 CPL.Jean .L. CABELLAN . died 28-2-44
540 FN 43 CPL.Fernand DEVILLERS . died 28-2-44
10320 FN 40 CPL. Rene GUY. died 28-2-44
10425 FN 43 SGT. Jean HAGNEME died 28-2-44
10834 FN 40 CPL.Jacqueklin.RIVIERE.died 28-2-44.

also
4822 FN 40 LCPL. Henri .G. GICQUEL. died as POW 24-7-44
756 FN 42. LCPL. Maxine.G. LEGRAND.died 11-6-44 Normandy. Should of been with my original list
5822 FN 41 (rank NK).Serge L. MOUTAILLER.died 18-2-42,Dieppe.
267 FN 43 WO 1. Pierre A.L. WALLERAND.died 25-12-43. Operation Graveline.

Thats it for now.

Regards
Graham.

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Thanks Graham all now on there. See this entry for Serge Moutaillier where his niece makes a comment. Note the slight variation in spelling of his surname. I have shown as they have it as they are in contact with family. Also note that he was killed 19-8-42 Dieppe not as shown above

http://www.francaislibres.net/liste/fiche.php?index=33093

I think that with all the names added you now have a complete list of all the Free French commandos who died during the war. However, Maxime Legrand was only injured on 11.6.1944 - he died in 1971 (source Musee Fusco website).

Thank you Noel. I have removed his name from our roll of honour.

Noel,

Thanks for the correction,

Regards

Graham

ROH for 2 Troop [Dutch] added.

http://www.commandoveterans.org/2tpROH

Pete

Thanks,10 IA Roll of Honour being to take shape.

Regards

Graham