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23/07/2012 11:37:38
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John M
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hi Folks
This is quite interesting. The scabbard on this 3rd pattern has been adapted very well and has an extra frog.
It has been suggested 'Para' and fitting for a 'Sam Browm'
Im still not sure.
regards
John M
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23/07/2012 18:37:41
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Hi John,
I'm wondering whether it's something as innocent as a modification to provide a retainer for the grip because the original frog elastic strap or pop retainer went missing? However, a replacement scabard would of been even simpler so I guess there's some other rationale for it?
Interesting though, haven't see one like that before.
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24/07/2012 19:47:08
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John M
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Hi Vic
Interestingly the elastic retainer is broken.........but it still seems a bit elaborate for that.
It fits a Sam Brown ..........spot on........but the knife in the scabbard still hangs 'free'.......so I reckon it would be a bit clumsy to use in that way.....unless it was for dress purposes?
The seam tabs are also still present.........so I don't know.......but a nice piece.
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25/07/2012 22:39:10
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I agree with Vic, that due to the broken elastic, the scabbard is simply placed in a bayonet frog. But what is more interesting is the frogs country of origin.
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25/07/2012 23:05:12
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John M
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Hi Kevin
Any Ideas?
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26/07/2012 08:46:22
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Hi John, no ideas at all, all similar frogs are made of webbing. Have looked at all? WW1 & 2 frogs from every country with no joy, but this frog looks original, it might help if there were any markings or numbers on the item, will look further into it and let you know.
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26/07/2012 10:28:58
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John M
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Hi Kevin
Yes that's the first thing I always look for............I cant find any marks or numbers at all on it.
Its well made of good leather.......and is fitted really well.
Its a mystery.
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27/07/2012 00:39:42
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John
I hope that this solves the mystery, try this, Remmington P17 bayonet frog, issued to British home guards during WW2. Look at this link to compare.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-BRITISH-HOME-GUARD-BAYONET-FROG-REMINGTON-P1913-P1917-BAYONETS-/400311569676?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d346dcd0c
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27/07/2012 00:54:23
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27/07/2012 10:46:51
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John M
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Hi Kevin
I'll settle for that...........it looks spot on.
Mystery solved.
Thanks very much Kevin.........really appreciate your help.
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